Everyone's Plan B

What about a 4 or 5 party system?

November 28, 2012

Don't other countries have more than two political parties?

We could have five parties - Libertarian, Christian (Pro-Life), Conservative (fiscally), Democrat (old Republican) and Communist (old Democrat). There is significant risk to having a Republican party anymore, due to the successful media negative name-branding efforts. That would make it very interesting during elections, but the electoral college would have to go as well.

Or you could just have four parties by having Republicans join one of the other parties, and leave off the Communist party which would remain Democrat (in name only).

Is there enough groundswell of support among all those disenfranchised to make this a reality, I wonder?

1 year 9 months ago

Sue, I'm not saying you're wrong. Your suggestions are a good strategy for winning a game of ideas. Unfortunately, the American people aren't playing that game. They're playing a different game: blue collar populism. I have only recently become aware of this. Truthfully, this has always been a populist nation. Men like Jefferson have always been rare.

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1 year 9 months ago

Jason, I guess I'm not understanding what you mean yet. I'm not saying you are wrong about the populist thing, but I don't think that is the affliction of Republicans. I think fear is driving conservatives to promote big government. That proves your point about the power of emotion very well though.

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1 year 9 months ago (Edited)

Really we only need two parties, if truth in advertising/branding was reality. They would be the globalist party and the national party. Those for the U.N. agenda and those for the Constitution/national sovereignty.

"American political parties aren't really parties at all--they're coalitions."

Once you dig deep they closely resemble organized crime on a national level with ties to global cabals who are their bosses up the chain.

1 year 9 months ago

Ramona, you are a brilliant wordsmith. Yup, organized crime. We got a little too well organized at the grassroots level and the "two families" closed ranks.

1 year 9 months ago

What does organized crime do? Money laundering, theft, murder (war/gang war), gun trade. And of course control areas by force. They have covers for these things.

What does government do, under cover mostly (black ops)?
See above!

1 year 9 months ago

Oops, forgot control and profit from drugs.

1 year 9 months ago

Sue: I think I see where we're talking past each other here. I'm not really focused on Republican Party policy positions here, as such. I'm really talking more about the question of "how can politicians who believe in private property rights and economic liberty sell that vision to a majority of voters.

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1 year 9 months ago

I think that people need to know the truth and make up their own minds on everything themselves. I disagree with what I deam as odd tactics. I don't see why our goal cant be to win over the minds of all of those people you spoke about by just exposing them to mere truth and logic? That did the trick for me and many others I have come across.

1 year 9 months ago

Jason, first of all, there are only about 4 politicians who actually believe in private property rights and economic liberty. Bachmann and Santorum talk the talk, but they don't walk the walk. Private property rights and economic freedom depend on a foreign policy that is non-interventionist. There are more points than foreign policy, but that's the most significant point because of the costs and because of the heavy hand of authority national security commands.

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1 year 9 months ago

Sue: Again, I'm not disagreeing with your goals--only with the tactics I see commonly in use by many people today.

Rino Buster: You were won over by the arguments because you listened to them and decided they made sense. Good for you! But I think you're in the minority in modern America. Maybe I'm wrong. But I don't think so.

1 year 9 months ago

Rino, I have to agree with you. I'm also wondering where Jason is coming from with his concern about helping politicians deliver the message. Justin Amash? Tom Massie? Jim DeMint? I'm sure there are a couple more...oh yeah, Rand Paul.
The best way we can help them is to back them up by not supporting the Bachmanns and Ryans whose ideologies are anything but cutting the spending and returning individual freedom.

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1 year 9 months ago

Jason, I see your point only because of the power of the loudspeakers. To assume that people are too dumb and must be fooled or cajoled into agreeing to something they don't understand doesn't sit well with me though.
We simply need to be louder than the loud speakers. We simply have to be the bearers of truth. I don't want to win anyone over by trickery. That is not a win.

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1 year 9 months ago

The only thing that scares me about this idea is, the more parties, the more politicians. Scary right?

1 year 9 months ago

"We simply need to be louder than the loud speakers. We simply have to be the bearers of truth. I don't want to win anyone over by trickery. That is not a win."

In my book, anything that allows you to implement your policy objectives is a win. And I'm not talking about trickery here, either. I'm talking about arguments of pathos and ethos. But we're really beating a dead horse here, I guess.

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1 year 9 months ago

The volume of your loudspeaker just went up a notch Jason. For some reason I can hear you better now :)
How about running another example me? Let's say that I'm thinking the government needs to enact legislation to make the Internet safe. Does that work? Can you think of a better example?

1 year 9 months ago

Now you've lost me. Are you asking what pathos arguments to use against Internet censorship? If so, that's a pretty easy one to make: the police want to spy on you. That message connects easily with moderate/populist voters, I think.

1 year 9 months ago

"Jason Clouse
In my book, anything that allows you to implement your policy objectives is a win. And I'm not talking about trickery here, either. I'm talking about arguments of pathos and ethos."

I noticed you didn't include the most important one Logos.

1 year 9 months ago

One of the few things I agree with FDR on was the Unions have no place in government. Political parties are nothing more than political unions, they should be outlawed.

1 year 9 months ago

Easy really? How do you argue this?

Another troubling portion of the GOP’s platform, entitled “Making the Internet Family-Friendly,” says that, “The Internet must be made safe for children.” The provision goes on to say that this responsibility should fall on Internet service providers (as opposed to the government), but efforts to combat child pornography and online predators must also respect First Amendment rights — that’s good.

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1 year 9 months ago

Hey Matt, maybe if there are more parties we might stumble on a few more statesmen and women instead of just politicians? A girl can dream can't she? :)

1 year 9 months ago

During one of my verbal jousting matches with the fake Alden Duayne Dumas. One of those missing by the way. I realized what the trick was. Recruit enough pro libertarian advocates. While I am pro third party. There is always a right way and wrong way to do things, Since we had no structure nor the funds to draw enough votes from the remaining parties that their fate just like history dictates,they have no chance to win. unless of course winning is helping obama win re election.

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1 year 9 months ago

We can waste a lot of time making party the issue or we can take about the issues that are the real reason we are having the party argument in the first place.
The line in the sand is our Constitution. Our is it our foreign policy? The two are not compatible. You can't be a defender of the Constitution and support global policing and unconstitutional wars.
The Democrats have no respect for the Constitution.
The Republicans have no respect for the Constitution.

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