Everyone's Plan B

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November 28, 2012

Don't other countries have more than two political parties?

We could have five parties - Libertarian, Christian (Pro-Life), Conservative (fiscally), Democrat (old Republican) and Communist (old Democrat). There is significant risk to having a Republican party anymore, due to the successful media negative name-branding efforts. That would make it very interesting during elections, but the electoral college would have to go as well.

Or you could just have four parties by having Republicans join one of the other parties, and leave off the Communist party which would remain Democrat (in name only).

Is there enough groundswell of support among all those disenfranchised to make this a reality, I wonder?

1 year 10 months ago

Are you saying the media has made the R party look bad? ROFL, no no no. They have done a great job of doing that to themselves. RNC? Gimme a break.

1 year 10 months ago

I fear that if we do break up. There will not be enough votes for the other parties than the Democrats/Communists. The problem is will there be enough votes for our side or just a bunch of people voting for different people with Democrats all voting together meaning gthe Democrats get elected. Yes we have a problem with the RHINOS and others; but I don't want libs elected because we are to divided. I want it done right.

1 year 10 months ago

Wesley - you are comparing apples and oranges. The countries that have 4 or 5 parties are Parliamentary Democracies - very different than our Republic. In those systems, people vote for a party, not a "representative". A smaller party can appeal to a segment of the population, get 5% or 15% of the national vote, and receive a proportional representation in Parliament.

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When you're stupid (Republicans) and the media reports it, you look bad. When you're stupid (Democrats) and the media ignores it, nobody knows. I went to see the movie Lincoln and was surprised at my lack of knowledge related to history from the 1860s. The Republicans pushed to get an amendment to free the slaves, while the Democrats fought against it. I do know the Democrats, including the late Senator Byrd, were big on the Ku Klux Klan and now I know why.

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1 year 10 months ago

response to Norman - very informative post. So we need a better Republican Party that doesn't just serve an elite group but accepts inputs from everyone.

1 year 10 months ago

The problem is the media we can't just split and hope they like us better. It's about our ideals and policies not just because we are Republican spliting up won't change a thing with the media they are still liberal.

1 year 10 months ago

The Republican Party broke bones, had people arrested unlawfully, corrupted their own rules and tossed legitimate delegates out of their own convention. The media didn't even report on any of this. If they were out to make a bad name for the party they could've totally nailed them.
Did any of the MSM cover the story about Jill Stein, Green Party Candidate, being handcuffed to a chair in an isolated room for hours during the final debate?

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1 year 10 months ago

response to Sue - I was not aware, but I can use all the information I can get. What is a good news or web source for the information you provided?

1 year 10 months ago

There is only one party running the entire operations.
The Democratic Party and the Republican Party are the one Progressive Party and they own the media.
Conservatives are Progressives.
Liberals are Progressives.
The Green Party is Progressives.
Progressives advocate for big government.
Constitutional advocates who genuinely want to reduce the size and authority of government are the non-Progressives.

1 year 10 months ago

"Wesley Sweetser
response to Norman - very informative post. So we need a better Republican Party that doesn't just serve an elite group but accepts inputs from everyone."

They pander to 2 main groups business elites and the "moral" right.

Republican Party (right)
libertarians
Liberty
RINO

Democrat Party (left)
Blue Dog
Socialist

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1 year 10 months ago

"response to Sue - I was not aware, but I can use all the information I can get. "

Response to Wesley : ) -

Ron Paul Delegate Assaulted by Shreveport Police at LAGOP State Convention - Broken Hip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upj6KPXFtXU

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1 year 10 months ago

"When you're stupid (Republicans) and the media reports it, you look bad."
Those in command of the GOP are not stupid, they are evil.

1 year 10 months ago

If you hadn't said "good" I would've gone to recover the links from youtube and other such sources right away Wesley. However, I'm anticipating an argument about "good". Do grassroots, amateur videos and testimonials qualify as good enough for you? This is the conflict that empowers the MSM. They earn credibility not being truthful, but simply by the stature of their presence. Is it worth my time or would you like to dismiss the sources already?

1 year 10 months ago

Hey Rino, thanks for the back up. That and the Oklahoma parking lot fiasco should have been front page news. The MSM was actually quite protective of the Republican Party.

1 year 10 months ago

Ron, Carol, and one of their granddaughters left the GOP snake pit yesterday afternoon, but the State was not yet through with them. At the little airport in Clearwater, 8 TSA agents descended on them and ordered them not to board their private plane. First, the pilots, the airplane, and the passengers would have to be screened in great detail, because Romney might be nearby.

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1 year 10 months ago

I already threw them up there. Wesley will have to figure it out on his own.

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1 year 10 months ago

RNC Hypocrisy and Corruption.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi0EeBF5Cvs

1 year 10 months ago

Wesley, all you need to do is go to youtube and type in "RNC / GOP corruption. Everything you need to see will be before you. Be ready to be disgusted.

1 year 10 months ago (Edited)

"Wesley Sweetser
When you're stupid (Republicans) and the media reports it, you look bad. When you're stupid (Democrats) and the media ignores it, nobody knows. I went to see the movie Lincoln and was surprised at my lack of knowledge related to history from the 1860s"

Please don't bring up that Liberty stealing Lincoln. He is the 1st president to outright destroy the Constitution.

1 year 10 months ago

I was going to say what Norman said, more or less. American political parties aren't really parties at all--they're coalitions. I'm guessing that's why Ron Paul returned to the GOP after his hiatus with the Libertarians: he realized that trying to work within the system was the best solution.

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1 year 10 months ago

Thank you everyone for the links.

1 year 10 months ago

I think I have the answer to the question on the other thread. If you want to know who to listen to for the real news...it's on Facebook and YouTube...it's coming from the real people.

1 year 10 months ago

Very true Sue.
Who has more credibility? A concerned citizen, or a paid entertainer on TV? I will go with the first option.

1 year 10 months ago

Jason, in his farewell speech to Congress Ron Paul made the statement that Congress is a reflection of the people.
We aren't sending the right message. We are all over the place. Ron Paul didn't fail to deliver the message. The people failed to back him up.
There is far too much fear of liberty and far too much support for big government. We might be saying we defend our Constitution and the limitation of authority, but we aren't backing up what we are saying.

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