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February 5, 2013

My mother was from Japan- she HAD to learn the Constitution, renounce allegiance to her native country, learn English, learn the Pledge of Allegiance, and, she was proud to do all of these things to become a citizen of this Nation. With the activation of dept. of Homeland (un) Security, this is a National security risk that is being promoted by the current administration- to bypass all of the channels of the former naturalization processes that help to ensure the safety of this nation by a process that can (and was) monitored with great effect. The executive branch is misusing the capacity of its office- this is evidenced by the blatant misuse of executive order, a 'privilege'- with both the Congress and Senate continuing to NOT perform, it is evident that THE PEOPLE must continue to pressure these bodies of government to perform their sworn oath to uphold their Constitutional oath. If there was a petition that could be signed and hand delivered to these bodies that listed the issues that need to be brought forward, this might have effect. But also, as believers in Christ and the Nations founding on The Holy Bible, prayer for these bodies is more essential than at any other time since the American revolution. We all see the move by government s assault on this, and we all see the 'push' that is constantly attempting (and succeeding) to deny us even these rights; educating our children and grandchildren on their Constitution and ourselves to become even more familiar with this uncommon foundational document is necessary because the 'dept. of education' has failed our children- Our youth is essential to our prosperity as a nation- other non-believing countries understand this very well, and this is part of the reason why those countries are successful in continuing to breed not love, but hate; why these countries are successful in not aborting their children, but push and fund for ours to do so. Our Holy Bible explains this clearly, yet we are closed mouthed to the legislative body on this (and other) legislation.

1 year 10 months ago

We are NOT a Christian Theocracy, so the Bible has no place in arguing government policy.

1 year 10 months ago

Exactly. Those who talk about religion and the Constitution here don't really mean what they say about the Constitution. I don't see foreign aid to any nation, including Israel in the Constitution anywhere. Illegal undeclared wars are unconstitutional. Even if they are to save Israel. The religious folks get all up in arms about that though.

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Mr. X --- You are wrong. Christianity is the foundation upon which the American Constitution was built upon, and to the degree that government policies detour from Christian values, the closer to destruction "we the people" will experience through the loss of freedoms, liberty, and those endowed unalienable rights given by our creator. Instead we become further shackled by the chains of economic slavery and socialistic mindsets.

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We aren't a theocracy Chuck. Mr. X is correct. Talk to me about the Constitution and what it says about religion in politics. Where is it in the enumerated powers? What is the executive branch to do in regard to religion? Congress? Be as Christian as you want in your personal life Chuck, it has nothing to do with policy.

1 year 10 months ago

You are right on Chuck. Our country was founded on freedom OF religion not freedom WITH OUT! People like X and Sue feel they have the right to withdraw God from everything in this country because they feel its their freedom to do so. This country has always been based around Christianity (schools, hospitals, etc) and they are destroying it all in the name of false freedom..Gays are pushing their sick agenda, Muslims are taking over and these types here are the exact reason why.

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Sue R. You are correct in the assertion that we not a "christian theocracy." But as Chuck so aptly described we were founded upon the Christian moral principles and as a nation we recognized that although we do/did not all worship Him in the same way/if at all it was generally accepted that we were a "christian" nation.

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Chuck,

Theocracy went out of style in the West about 400 years ago. Some Muslim countries still have it where they stone people to death. I can only support public stoning if ALL religions get to do it. We could have Christian stoning on Sunday, the Jews could stone people on Monday, Buddhists on Tuesday. The big legal question is can a Buddhist stone a Jew for violating Buddhist dietary laws? Buddhists don't eat meat so anyone eating meat would be subject to death. Tricky!

1 year 10 months ago

So Joseph and John, putting religion as # 1 on a political to do list is relevant how? It isn't. There is nothing to do in that regard because we are not a theocracy. Religion is personal. For a group of political activists it is a completely useless item on the list.
Spare me the rest of it. I'm not stupid. I now about Christian principles and our founding, in fact it is obvious that I understand it better than you do.

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1 year 10 months ago

Practice your religion where and how you want. Don't use taxpayer money and don't try to tell anyone that the Constitution dictates saving Israel. It doesn't.

1 year 10 months ago

Wow Carter, those Catholics are going to be sorry that they eat meat on Fridays now. It's one more day of peril for them in the week.

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Kenneth, Please read our Common Sense Proposal, in it we address several of the issues you bring up. https://www.unitedamericaparty.org/commo... Our moral values include religious beliefs. While our forefathers took from their moral values in forming the Constitution, they did not prescribe to any certain religion.

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Support from a founding father about how and what we as a nation are supposed to be: http://thinkexist.com/quotation/our_cons...

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And John, the John Hagee Christian right are not moral people. They spout religion, but that is not evidence of good character and morals.
Good character and morals are measured by standing up for our Constitution and against illegal wars and unconstitutional policy. The GOP Christians are NOT standing up for our Constitution.

1 year 10 months ago

Sue, I agree with you on your latest comment, and you made the connection that I was trying to make.

1 year 10 months ago

Don't use taxpayer money???? How much of tax payers money has been spent keeping it out of the system that it has been in sense the beginning of this countries start. Same as the gay agenda. You folks so conveniently over look.

1 year 10 months ago

So you are advocating revenge Joseph? How Christian of you.

1 year 10 months ago

Sue - I will not disagree about some religious groups being immoral - a number are profiteers and not true followers of Jesus Christ... As the founders pointed out moral character is important for those who hold public office... We have seen serious decline in moral character over the past 30+ years in our public "servants" that have all but claimed that they own it and us as their subjects.... This is not the position that a moral servant would take.

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Joseph,

What exactly is the gay agenda?

Buddhists have great moral character by the way.

1 year 10 months ago

I have no issues with the public servants being any or no religion. The worst possible scenario would be a number of muslims being in the public law making positions....They will and often do push for acceptance of sharia law - which in and of its self is very oppressive, specifically with regards to women and children.

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John,

Any citizen can suggest any laws they want. The Catholics can lobby for a law to ban contraceptives or adultery. The Jews can lobby for a law to outlaw pork. Muslims can talk about what they like. None of it is going to be put into law so let them talk......I support Freedom of Speech. You know free exchange of ideas? I don't like thought police, do you?

1 year 10 months ago

I think everyone here is for individual freedom. Is there ANY one thing that EVERYONE agrees on?

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Elizabeth,

Yes, I'm for the same freedom for everyone without regard to race, sex, religion, color or sexual perferance.

1 year 10 months ago

John, when a citizen supports illegal undeclared wars, global policing, foreign aid, etc. they are advocating for a Congress with lousy morals.
What is the oath of office? What is it when you ignore an oath?

1 year 10 months ago

So Sue, wrong again and you then need to twist word and lie. How atheist of you.

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What specifically is wrong Joseph? What is the oath of office? Which of what I mentioned is Constitutional?
How fake Christian of you.

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