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Live and Let Live- A Civic Virtue

January 10, 2013

I suggest we should all live and breathe the virtue of toleration. I simply put together some quotes and some well known maxims to give meaning to the Civic Virtue that is Toleration:

“The Fundamental objection surely is that a right to be protected from the distress which is inseparable from the bare knowledge that others are acting in ways you think wrong, cannot be acknowledged by anyone who recognizes individual liberty as a value”

“That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinions of others, to do so would be wise or even right.”

Otherwise stated, the offense that one takes at someone else’s conduct offers no justification for prohibiting that conduct unless it involves the use of force or fraud.

At the root, this principle stands for the proposition that each individual may act as he pleases, so long as he does not infringe upon the like liberties of other individuals to do the same

It takes no courage to allow the expression of views that echo one’s own, but it takes a good deal of it to tolerate the propagation of ideas that challenge one’s own deepest ideals.

Plainly, Toleration is a virtue for each to learn and for each to readily exercise.

1 year 8 months ago

Deonte, with all due respect, that sounds like libspeak. The toleration of the erosion of our values and liberties is what has brought us to where we are. I am so past toleration.

1 year 8 months ago (Edited)

Based upon the tone of the commets containe within this missive it is pure
liberal BS. Tollerence is base upon both side being able to have a
civilized discourse and reach an amical agreement acceptabel to both
sides. BUT when one side resfused to discus or make allowances for the
other this that is BS socialist liberalism. Based upon the left lack of ability
to comprehent this I can tell you this "Tollerance, my backside, when you

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1 year 8 months ago

You go, Deonte. You have articulated the values the Founding Fathers fought for and that are under attack--as the knee-jerk reactions to your post demonstrate.

1 year 8 months ago

Hey Ken, nice example of tolerance. Go waste somebody elses time. Please pass the troll spray.

1 year 8 months ago (Edited)

Ken, Deonte I'm sure if you prostrate yourselves these thug will
respect you for it.
There are trully "colaborators" in many places, who WILL turn in
a patriot to the thought police, for re-ed camp.

1 year 8 months ago

First of all i'm very glad to see that my post has stirred some interest, and i'm very happy to see that some disagree with me i am always charitable and respectful of my other's views. Secondly, I know how Milton and James must feel they are FED UP! with the degeneration of America by the progressive elitism that reigns over us, especially in Jame's case he fought for our country and now its falling apart.

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1 year 8 months ago (Edited)

Deonte what you are asking has long past gone. WE have tried, begged, Yelled and Screamed and now with the 1st and 4th Amendments altered, we can only expect that the 2nd Amendment will be as well.

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1 year 8 months ago

Just one more item...I can give you quotes from our founding fathers that say just the opposite of what yours say...they fought for our freedom and were very wise...we should honor them in our endeavors to recover our nation.

1 year 8 months ago

Deonte, Most people don't bother to understand the required reciprocity to make a right universal. All they see is their own rights, not recognizing the same rights in others that would necessarily limit their own actions.
To Milton, if somone hold lib views, thats fine w/ me as long as they don't force another to acceede to, promote, or fund those views. It is the acceptance of the existance of those views that allow another to rightly hold conservative views.

1 year 8 months ago (Edited)

Let's not confuse opinion with agenda. The Progressive agenda is clear. I oppose it and will fight it to my last breath. The Libertarian agenda is also clear, and in my opinion goes way beyond Conservatism.

My question to Deonte, Did you vote for Romney in the general election?

1 year 8 months ago (Edited)

Hmmm Milt, silence. As the T-shirt says " The founders would already
be shooting"

1 year 8 months ago

Well Milton, i just turned 16 years old so, unfortunately, I couldn't vote in the election ( Fun Fact my birthday is always on Election Week, November 8).

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1 year 8 months ago

oh, wow then your knowledge is vast. join up next birthday,
you will gain more education. I did in '63.

1 year 8 months ago

"...in my experience as a Christian I have found that many Christians are kind-of intolerable..."

Deonte, would I be wrong in concluding that you seem to hold the opinion that being intolerant of something is somehow un-Christian?

Jesus was intolerant of quite a few things, e.g. the money-changers in the story of the cleansing of the temple, Matthew 21:12.

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1 year 8 months ago

In my opinion yes I think intolerance is un-Christian. But I derive my view from the The second greatest commandment (Matthew 22:38) "Love your neighbor as you love yourself." You can't love your neighbor if you have some prejudice to his views or lifestyle it also says in 1 Corinthians 10:29 "For why should my freedom be judged by another's conscience? We must be a free and open society, and as it also says in the scripture "Everything is permissible, but not everything is beneficial.

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1 year 8 months ago

Deonte, I can understand your view on tolerance. My question for you is how do we define the line of what to tolerate, and what not to? I assume you don't want to tolerate murderers and rapists doing whatever they want. Do we allow people to smoke pot and drink and drive when they might kill people? Would you say that we should define tolerance as "live and let live", as long as we don't hurt anyone else? Everything we do has an affect on others - absolutely everything.

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1 year 8 months ago

Well Tracey as I said in the post: “That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others." So yes you're right to conclude I am for tolerating all things that bring no harm, by force or fraud, to others.

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1 year 8 months ago

I agree with many of the things you just said. And it helps me to understand better what you mean by toleration. I think when you said that people should have the opportunity to choose right from wrong for themselves, without interference from their government, you were right.

1 year 8 months ago

Thanks Tracey, if i could I would just like to kind of close this all out with a quote (paraphrase) from Thomas Jefferson:

"I would rather tolerate the vices of to much Liberty than endure the tragedies of to little."

1 year 8 months ago

Deonte, Suggest you read some Butler, Kant, etc. if you already have not. Your stated principle is one of a catagorical imperative which can be logically proven. Simply stated, the rights of one may not be infringed upon except when the expression of those rights infringes on the rights of another. The problem lies in the failure of individuals to recognize the requirement of reciprocity that makes a right universal.

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