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Even convicted felons have a right to bear arms

January 13, 2013

Supposedly, a philosophical debate is going on between “right and left” over the natural right to keep and bear arms. As usual, both sides are wrong.

The right to keep and bear arms is inseparable from the right to life. Here in the real world, arming oneself is the only practical way to exercise the right to life, which is properly defined as the right not to be killed by another human being.

Banning guns removes an individual’s ability to exercise the right to life. It places his life at the discretion of anyone who would take it away. Life is no longer a right, but a privilege, exercised at the discretion of criminals. Sometimes, the criminals wear government costumes.

When is this ever justified?

The only reasonable answer would be when an individual has wrongfully taken the life of another person. Even then there is room for an argument. If manslaughter does not carry a lifetime prison sentence, why does the perpetrator permanently surrender his right to life?

There is no justification for prohibiting gun ownership for virtually any other crime. Perhaps egregious assaults or child molestation also qualify, but that is still a tiny percentage of the population.

Even conservatives cast the net far wider. Standard conservative talking points go something like this. “We defend the 2nd Amendment rights of law abiding citizens who are not mentally ill to keep and bear arms.”

Virtually every word of this statement is wrong. And this is the “pro-gun” side.

First, there are no such things as “2nd Amendment rights” or “Constitutional rights.” Rights do not come from the Constitution. They existed before it. They exist regardless of the creation of any government, anywhere. They are endowed by our Creator, as our founding document states. They cannot be taken away. They cannot be voted away, not even by democratically-elected representatives.

Even Barack Obama supposedly believes this. He said so in his nomination acceptance speech.

By “law abiding citizens,” conservatives mean anyone who hasn’t been convicted of what the government calls a “felony.” The problem is that the government calls virtually everything a felony and they designate more innocuous behavior as felonious every day.

According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics, there are currently over 2 million people incarcerated in the United States. It is unknown how many U.S. citizens alive today have ever been convicted of a felony, but that number must be in the tens of millions. No matter how long ago they were convicted, those people are prohibited from owning firearms.

Martha Stewart was convicted of lying about whether or not she committed the non-crime of insider trading. What reasonable person could argue that because of this she should spend the rest of her life at the mercy of anyone who decides to invade her home or attack her on the street?

Ms. Stewart is to some extent a bad example. She has the financial means to hire armed bodyguards to protect her and her home and still comply with the law. Most convicted felons do not have this luxury.

Neither have most convicted felons ever harmed another human being. Two thirds of the U.S. prison population is incarcerated for non-violent offenses, about half of them for drug offenses.

For most of these people, there is no justification for incarcerating them in the first place, much less for violating their most basic rights for the rest of their lives.

Even the qualification that the individual not be “mentally ill” is bogus. It is true that the ability to reason is a prequalification for liberty, but it is not up to any bureaucrat to determine whether someone is mentally ill. The burden of proof that someone is mentally unfit to exercise their basic rights falls upon the accuser, not the accused. A person must demonstrate mental incapacity by some overt act and their incapacity must be proven before talk of violating their rights occurs.

If we allow the government to start requiring people to prove they are not mentally ill, they will achieve their gun ban without firing a legislative shot. Some have already called Tea Party or Occupy protestors “terrorists.” It won’t be a stretch for them to decree that certain political positions constitute “mental illness.” Ever been diagnosed with ADHD as a child in a government school? Someday you will be on the list, too.

If conservatives represent the strongest defense of the right to keep and bear arms, the debate is already over. They are nothing more than “Progressive Light” on this issue, as they are on most others.

Throughout human history, one chief identifying characteristic of the slave has been that he is unarmed. Free people keep and bear arms. Slaves are prohibited from doing so. Virtually every American, including most convicted felons, should have the opportunity to purchase and carry the firearm of their choice.

Don’t let politicians or their media partners define the debate. The 2nd Amendment is the last vestige of American freedom.

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1 year 7 months ago

ALL of us need to be the OUTLAW JOSEY WHALES with our guns on our hips and ready to fight the Government at any cost.

1 year 7 months ago

I am in total agreement. The Government now owns the Healthcare System. If it disagrees with you opinions, they will declare you "Mental" Also did you see they want background checks for all family members too? This will be the complete destruction of all our rights or privileges.

1 year 7 months ago

Thank God! Finally a conversation here @ 100MPS that understands our God given rights (Natural Law as opposed to man's law.) I am so glad to see this and hopefully some other members of this group will see it too. I am interested to see their comments.

Mr. Marcello, Braveheart, and Boot Footman in particular.

1 year 7 months ago

I have to agree with your post. It is time for a third party that will push to eliminate most of the laws on the books that do not have to do with violent crimes and theft. What do you think of a Manchurian Party that is directed by We the People through a website dedicated to open debate of issues and votes that tell our public servants what to do once a 2/3 majority of those involved agree?

1 year 7 months ago

Thanks for the encouraging comments. I was expecting a fight when I posted this in this particular group.

1 year 7 months ago

Anarchy will breakout soon and when it does one side will have to be de-armed. It is my hope that the Obama Government that does not follow the Constitution is the side that fails and surrenders to us and our guns.

If we maintain our faith in God, the LORD who gives us our rights to firearms, he will deliver us from those who would oppress us.

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1 year 7 months ago

Boot, have you stopped to consider this? The largest percentage of "felons" are not persons who have turned guns on innocents. I am all for locking away anyone who has done this... for life. But what of those who have been incarcerated for a much lesser charge, but are lumped in as felons as well?

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1 year 7 months ago

Texas is correct
There is a fairly large movement on this website to bring back strict sedition laws. If they get their way, most of us will be felons for doing nothing more than resisting Obama, Obama care and gun legislation.

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1 year 7 months ago

According to the Heritage Foundation, Congress averages 55 new felonies a year http://www.heritage.org/research/reports...

1 year 7 months ago

Great point Black Regiment. If a weapons ban passes, how many here (and across the nation!) would choose to become felons by refusing to comply?
I am sure it would number in the millions over night.

1 year 7 months ago

i spent 4 days in jail for making a mathematical error on my log book. i sent home money to my ex wife to pay the ticket.(this was years ago back in mid 80's) wife forgot to pay ticket i was arrested 1 year later.. jailed for a logbook mistake... what a bad man i am...lol

1 year 7 months ago

Dang it Earl! Is that a felony?

1 year 7 months ago

When I was young my parents got divorced. My mom issued a restraining order. According to the State of NJ his right to own a handgun gun is forfeit

1 year 7 months ago

NO it is not a felony but still Jail for a math mistake?
doesn't matter what it is you are fined for or jailed for. they had you labeled as cash cows, cattle, criminals from the start.
in time IF WE DO NOTHING we will all be in custody,,

1 year 7 months ago

Is anybody thinking about the mid-term elections and how we can influence them? We have a chance to work on solutions to most of our problems over the next two years and then implementing those solutions after the mid-term elections, but we must start soon. The discussion could begin here and now.

1 year 7 months ago

@ Christ I was thinking about having a range debate. Candidates have face each other in hand gun, shot gun and riffle matches. :)

1 year 7 months ago

speaking of custody, let ask you folks some thing to consider.
How are you going to feel when you and your loved ones are either dead or in a fema camp, and you come to find out NOT a single congressmen or senator or his immediate family are in a Fema Camp? your wards of the state and they who was suppose to protect your freedom are enjoying freedom? I personally think if GOD gave us our Rights he didn't give us the means to protect them for Nothing!

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1 year 7 months ago

Mid term elections SERIOUSLY? We won a lot of mid term elections last go around (2010), anything change for the better? i don't see it, we still have Obastard, we still have reid, and Nazi pelosi, their agenda is still going through, and it has been turned up in break neck speeds..Sorry i have lost complete faith in our Gov, and I do believe it will NOT change until either Jesus comes back or WE THE PEOPLE. take over by force if need be.

1 year 7 months ago

There is no need for violence IF enough people are willing to THINK and get involved. Republicans did win big in the last mid-term elections and NOTHING changed. The turnout is historically low for mid-term elections and this gives us a chance to advance a third party. It would only take 50 members of the House to stop both sides from advancing their evil agendas. There are many citizen democrats who do not like the direction their party is going, but dislike republicans even more.

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1 year 7 months ago

Natural law is the right to life and to be valued enough to be trusted to be right. Funny how they cannot fight us without having to claim they are right and we are wrong.

Proper sedition laws would remove a lot of government officials from office.

What are "Manchurian public servants"?

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1 year 7 months ago

Anita T, Thank you for asking about Manchurian Public Servants. They would be citizens running for political office at all levels of government who agreed to do as a 2/3 majority of the party members say. The Manchurian party members could sign into a secure website to take part in discussions about different issues until we come up with solutions a 2/3 majority of the members could support.

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1 year 7 months ago

Has anybody here seen the episode of John Stossel's show a couple months ago where he had as guest a man who authored "Three Felonies a Day". In the book the man claimed he could follow anyone in the country around for one day and find at least three felonies they had committed! That is because of the mountain of laws we now have which delineate more and more felony offenses every year.

1 year 7 months ago

Not CT.... you can't.... not permitted a firearm in Ct if you have been convicted of a crime.....any crime.

1 year 7 months ago
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