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I sometimes wonder who here really supports the principals of limited government and less of a government. It seems there are more people wanting more government, not less, they just want different "more government" than those they call the left. I go home many days wondering what has been accomplished here, all to often it seems like it's just got worse.
Why are you here on FC if you do not really support smaller or limited government?
Where can we agree government needs to cut spending and it's size? Education, Military, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid,
John Watson, There are 3 three types of people here on FC!! 1: Those who support the US Constitution as it is written!! 2: Those who support the US Constitution as they would like it to say!! 3: Liberals who are here to disrupt what we are trying to do here on FC!! I personally a member of the first group!!
I am here because I love God and our country. I care deeply. I did not support this president nor will I support him now. He is insane and I am praying that we, who do care deeply, can can through these next dangerous 4 years. Government can cut out all of the president and vice president's outrageous spending to begin. Washington is just a big mess since he obtained the office of president. There is just so much waste.
I am here because I love God and our country. I care deeply. I did not support this president nor will I support him now. He is insane and I am praying that we, who do care deeply, can can through these next dangerous 4 years. Government can cut out all of the president and vice president's outrageous spending to begin. Washington is just a big mess since he obtained the office of president. There is just so much waste. Always, always the military, education, social security, medicare and medicaid always gets the cut. There is alot of waste there,especially in medicaid. I am here to tell you that we need the military more than ever now. We need education with the right educators. There are too many teachers that just want the money, not help the children. Of course, nobody is ready to have anything cut. Our forefathers did. People need to wake up, get their heads out of the sand and start reading and finding out what's going on and happening before it's too late. Stand up for freedoms and rights before we have every one of them destroyed. Once we lose this, we will never have any of them back. We need to wake up.
The government is the problem! Not only since BO or Bush or anyone else you want to name.
IF the constitution was followed it would be a much different place we were in. There is anoath to which ALL elected officials have sworn to support, and fulfill the duties of their office as written in the constitution. think of Washington DC as a dot on the map. Each elected official would be doing their job. All these unconstitutional departments would disappear.
We would not have been in any of the overseas wars since the Barbary Wars, which did have something to do with protecting the US and it's citizens.
There would be 2 sets of states, one north, one south...since the south's succession was constitutional! Doesn't matter why it was denied....to much control of the read reasons. Same as right now, that BO will not allow any succession now. He wants control.
John "pony tail" Watson! Self proclaimed american indian! Makin' trouble again, Buddy?
I would like a 6% flat for everyone and entitlement spending capped at 25% of what the government collects
IMHO, government should be downsized starting with 3 "E"s of the cabinet, Depts. of Energy, EPA, and Education. These depts should be eliminated altogether, the sooner the better. Others that should be eliminated ASAP include Homeland Security (what a joke that is), and EVERY Czar in the administration.
IMHO, government should be downsized starting with 3 "E"s of the cabinet, Depts. of Energy, EPA, and Education. These depts should be eliminated altogether, the sooner the better. Others that should be eliminated ASAP include Homeland Security (what a joke that is), and EVERY Czar in the administration. Of course, Social Security and Medicare will eventually implode so we might as well set a date, say 10 years or so, and either eliminate these (preferred) or cut them back to a bare bones operation. There, that's a start. Of course, NONE of this will happen. It's just what I would do if I had the authority.
The majority of "small government" people here see to have the idea if you do not back their candidate or subsctibe to their way of changing things you MUST be a big government type and unworthy of their time.
Is that the true American way?
John is doing what He normally does, try to create a situation were none previously existed. I don't recall anyone in this group saying they were for bigger Gov't, other than John Watson broaching the subject.
Daniel John has many friends who share his views on other threads and like I said either agree with them or you are a big government person who wants to throw the constitution out the window.
I think John has hit it on the head!
There are too many her in their normalcy beliefs.
To them "big government" is "normal"....
However it was not designed that way, I don't care who you support or not....I was just for buying time, but it is evident, from the normalcy here, it would not have made a difference.
They seem to have the liberal mind-set...like maybe they are 'plants'.
I would disagree that the members here are big govt. proponents..Yeah we might have a few strange ones but I believe that we are all here for the same thing..That is to fight however we can for freedom, limited govt , for politicians to quit wasting our hard earned dollars, to uphold and defend our Constitution, and for the ability to live our lives as we see fit...We dont need another parent, we are most of us parents with their future to protect ..
What is this National Paul Bot stir the shit day?
Go Boot!!! I thought that once he retired we had heard the last from "them".
Never happem Angela as you may know to them he was the messiah,the only one who could save the country!
Those who wanted him so bad actually did not see that Johnson simply jumped on the Paul bandwagon before it stopped and voted for him now they want to blame everybody else for their most grevious error!
Jane WHO never said he was not correct only that there are differing opinions on how to solve the problem to which most of the "small government" folkd here turn a deaf ear!
In other words it is either their way or the wrong way and that will not solve the problem. Attitude like that is what got us into this mess or at least a big part of it!
Whoa, did I just get called a Paul bot? ROFLOL
?? Know...are you saying the small government like in following the constitution are the bad ones?
If so, we have truly lost this nation to the OWG!
Never mind, just fight amongst yourselves, LOL
Tell me Mr. Watson; what programs would YOU cut to make this a smaller governmt?? I would cut the EPA, Homeland Security (mostly I would get rid of Janet Napolitano) Educational programs that cater to 'socialism', Energy,Botanic Gardens( yes, there is such an agency)Commission of Fine Arts, etc. I got on the Website and there are programs from A- Z. Its mind boggling! I FIRMLY SUPPORT LIMITED GOVERNMT!
Tell me Mr. Watson; what programs would YOU cut to make this a smaller governmt?? I would cut the EPA, Homeland Security (mostly I would get rid of Janet Napolitano) Educational programs that cater to 'socialism', Energy,Botanic Gardens( yes, there is such an agency)Commission of Fine Arts, etc. I got on the Website and there are programs from A- Z. Its mind boggling! I FIRMLY SUPPORT LIMITED GOVERNMT! I Don't Support Cutting our Military (but I do support cutting military waste like when a certain organization like Halliburton is allowed to be granted contracts that will benefit the company and NOT the people or cause harm to someone's land like 'fracking'). I don't support cutting Social Security benefits since most of us paid into it and 'our' lovely governmt has been dipping their hands into it and now it is broke or going broke?! Gee, I wonder why. I support doing away with the IRS dept and paying taxes! SOMEONE PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION IT STATES THAT WE MUST PAY TAXES?! Maybe I just didn't see it in there, but I would love for someone to point that out to me. The only rich people I know of and see is our Politicians and once they retire they don't have much to worry about. Before 1984 these politicians WERE NOT PAYING INTO SOCIAL SECURITY. GET RID OF PORK BARREL PROJECTS! Get Rid of all of obuma's Czars! As for Medicaid, it should be only for Legal immigrants and U S citizens, not for illegal aliens! Get rid of worthless Dick Durbin, he serves no purpose here or in congress. Elect all Judges -- no appointments!
Does this kind of answers 'your' question John?
Jane nobody called you a paul bot in fact I would love for you to go back and see if I ever used that term excect as I just did!
Nobody,but you, is talking about small government being bad.
Try paying attention!
LOL, I asked a question, a legitimate question and I see I am attacked for it. As I read through posts, I hear the want for for more laws, not less. I hear many talk about the Constitution as though it's something to hide behind, well in a way it is, it is a way to protect our rights, to limit government but I hear very little about this.
LOL, I asked a question, a legitimate question and I see I am attacked for it. As I read through posts, I hear the want for for more laws, not less. I hear many talk about the Constitution as though it's something to hide behind, well in a way it is, it is a way to protect our rights, to limit government but I hear very little about this. What I do hear allot of is complaining about Obama and he has it coming but this goes back before him, way back but not many want to hear that, especially if it is their party, my party, Republican.
Yes, in 1994 I switched parties and ran for Mo House as a Libertarian, I did so for several reasons, one I lost faith in the Republican Party, then came a renewed hope and I went back to the party and ran for Mo House as a Republican in 96 and 98, at which I have stayed with the party since them. This election has made me wonder if there is hope for the RNC, some here make me think so, others do not.
Honestly, if the Republican Party would do as the title sates or refers to, there would be no need for the Libertarian Party. I have seen no Constitutional Amendments which have been passed and ratified which gives either party the right to do most of what they are doing. Democrats, I understand, they stand for democracy, mob rule, Republicans are suppose to stand for our Republic which is based on freedom and the only way to take any freedoms away is a constitutional amendment, other than the 15th and 16th which took away our rights, everything else is a violation of our republic, the law. http://connect.freedomworks.org/node/343...
Now, am I wrong in my assumption?
Doctor Know, where did I ever say or imply, my way or no way, so why are you trying to tag me with this? Yes I have an opinion but I have always been respectful, however I do get frustrated at times, like now where you tag me with this.
Mitch, my influence and perspectives come primarily from Thomas Jefferson, if that makes me liberal, then I am liberal. I find it odd how you try to use the plant game but it does speak volumes on my question I asked.
Great question John. This is a discussion that must be had from time to time. I see many posts on FC that seem more against personalities than they are for actual principles.
I always appreciate the high level of discourse you bring to discussions. May God richly bless you John Watson.
Thank you BR, may your journey be safe.
!st, Jane WHO sounds like Yoda from Star Wars. 2nd, John from the time I first became aware of you in this group, you've always wanted to argue you're points, and anyone with an opposite opinion was deemed wrong.
Your support keeps freedom alive!